22 June, 2021

Gygax and Third-Level New PCs

Something that came up recently, as it does from time to time, was the claim that later in life Gygax started his players off at third level rather than first, specifically in the context of his own private OD&D games.

The implications of this vary, interestingly, as people read into it what they want.  That Gygax felt he had made a mistake back in the day and sought to correct it is the most common and most basic interpretation.  Some however take it further, using it as a cudgel against the school of thought arguing that such early-game lethality was the way D&D was meant to be played (as well as against the grimdark / misery-porn wing of the OSR that loves to focus on 1st-level PCs and their tendency to die to overly aggressive housecats).  If Gygax himself couldn't even be bothered to play out those levels, the argument goes, then how can anyone claim that this focus on low-level play and high lethality is anything approaching how things were "supposed to be"?

I'm not one that treats everything Gygax ever said or did as sacred canon; I suspect most people with their own OSR games have this attitude, since you have to be willing to tinker with canon to make such a game.  At the same time, I think you'd be foolish not to pay close attention to what the guy who literally (co)invented the game says, especially knowing that it comes backed with decades of play experience.  But beyond all this, what I found interesting is that no one was actually posting an original source, something that always sets off my historian alarms.

Pretty much every mention of this decision of Gary's goes back to the same page, a post on the Cyclopeatron blog from 2010.  That post in turn links to this (now archived) page from 2005 by Robert Fisher.  That in turn led to this Dragonsfoot thread, from the same author and also from 2005.  Unfortunately at that point the trail gets a bit colder, as it turns out that the information ultimately comes from somewhere in Gygax's 440-page ENWorld thread.  And for whatever reason, ENWorld does not allow you to download threads, even if you're a member.

Fortunately, some kind soul took the thread in its original 13-part form and upped it to the Internet Archive, enabling me to put all the PDFs together and search away.  And finally I found the post, from 2004.

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The "reports" referenced come from posts made by Gygax to the now-deleted Gygax Games Yahoo Group.  However, I have it archived, and the original post by Gygax on this was accurately copied to another forum.  It's pretty straightforward:

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So the original posts do confirm that Gary indeed was running new PCs at 3rd level.

At the same time, examining these posts, I think their ramifications may have been overstated.  He was running this particular starting group in 2004-2005 at third level.  However, there's no evidence that this was the result of a wider change of philosophy on Gary's part.  What context there is suggests the opposite: that he was generally following the traditional approach but giving these particular PCs a boost because

  1. Previous PC actions had made the 1st level of Castle Greyhawk no longer a 1st-level PC environment (Gary ran a living dungeon, where the actions of different groups had wider ramifications), and
  2. The rules as originally written assumed much larger party sizes (as I explored previously here)--Gary specifies eight PCs plus that many helper NPC bodies--while the actual party, as seen in the second post, is a mere five PCs.

In other words, rather than shifting in his old age to a more heroic or generous (however you prefer to term it) style of play, Gary was adjusting this particular campaign to this particular dungeon and group ("I made the group being 3rd level characters in hope that they would feel more confident in exploring lower levels").  He was a flexible enough DM to understand that the precise circumstances of the campaign called for a different approach: his player group was one-third the recommended size, and so he simply tripled their levels.  But somewhere along the line a game of Telephone began, and what seems to be a localized phenomenon became transmuted by the fanbase into something much more.

Focusing overmuch on this post misses this context, and even evolutions in Gygax's thinking.  For example, in a later post from October 2007, he said:

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Now "the usual" is using 2nd level as a start, not 3rd.

What is not clear is how universal these rules were.  The second post is again in the context of a con game.  As such, it's possible that rules such as these were Gygax's blanket tournament house rules (meaning used at all tournaments, but perhaps not ones used in campaign games).  He may have also used 3rd-level starts for tournaments and/or small-party games, and 2nd level for home games.  Unfortunately, beyond the idea that Gygax didn't treat the first-level start as sacrosanct, it's not clear.

I have to admit that I like the level adjustment in context, because my choice for my own game was to boost starting PCs to two hit dice and such, specifically because I was aiming for parties of 4-5 players and knew that old-school editions assumed much larger groups.  It's nice to see that Gygax reached a very similar conclusion for the same reason at the same party-size scale.

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As an appendix to all this, the Dungeon Craft Youtube channel had an episode on the original blog posts that set most of this off (either the 2005 Robert Fisher original or, more likely since that blog has been gone since 2013 or so, the 2010 Cyclopeatron post, which is still live).  That post has a lot more game-running detail than just PCs beginning at third level: numerous other house rules make an appearance.  Dungeon Craft doesn't credit the original source because they don't seem to know it or to have gone looking for it, instead mentioning that they got it from a follower on Facebook who in turn copied it down from some unnamed forum and lost the original source.

It turns out that Gygax posted them on the Troll Lord forum in August 2007.

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It's interesting that, despite being a "hurried" post, it has options not listed in his much more well-known post on the same subject from two months later (the death adjustment and the move silently bonus for high Dex). These rules were used for GenCon 40.  Again, whether or not these rules were tournament rules or universal house rules is not clear from his post.  Regardless, the Dungeon Craft episode claims that these were Gygax's "SECRET rules for D&D".  In the comments however is a post from Luke Gygax:

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As Luke's post says it's "all bogus", one might be tempted to say that includes the third-level start.  But Luke only specifically references other changes, not the third-level start (and the original Troll Lord post doesn't mention level changes, only stat-based ones).
 
What is interesting here is that we have clear evidence (multiple posts) that Gygax did perform some of these changes, making it odd that Luke wasn't aware of them.  There are a few possibilities:
 
  • the house rules may simply come from a point past which Luke was gaming with his father (we know Luke wasn't involved in at least one of the campaigns Gygax posted about above)
  • Gygax didn't retroactively apply these rules to established games, so that older campaigns (such as the ones Luke may have been playing in with established characters) wouldn't see them in use, while new ones did, or
  • again we may have a tourney game ruleset vs home game ruleset situation, so that only tourney players would see them while regular home players might be unaware they exist

In the end, I think the most important thing to understand is that Gygax's attitudes were not static.  They shifted while he was at TSR, and they shifted all over the place during the rest of his life.  No one post of his is going to encapsulate his one true secret opinion.


 

3 comments:

  1. Thanks for writing about this. Robert Fisher's list of "Gary's House Rules" has become received OSR lore, but it always smelled like urban legend. And I suspect that the larger old-school community (the forums, the blogosphere, whatever remains of the G+ implosion, etc.) will take a long time indeed to discover, absorb, and process Luke Gygax's reply to Professor Dungeon Master on YouTube.

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  2. Wasn't expecting to see myself show up in this post (as the person who asked Gary about starting with 3rd level PCs) - good job me-of-17-years-ago for asking a valuable and relevant question! :)

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    1. I almost wrote "long-time poster T. Foster" in the post again. :)

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